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Hold on Jere, I know you’re smart enough to figure out that “wannabes” has nothing to do with practicing certain aspects of the culture. This is about genealogy, ancestry. These people are not wannabes simply b/c they brought back traditions that were no longer in practice. That’s just absurd.

So apparently haolegirl thinks that she’s a real hawaiian because she’s got a few drops of kanaka maoli blood in her body – and that people who identify as native hawaiian (as others may identify as native californian) are somehow besmirching her birthright. The fact of the matter is that haolegirl is an American, and so has every other kanaka maoli born in the islands since 1898.

I guess the issue I have is that racial pride is very different than cultural pride. Culture is who we are, what we do. Culture is a choice. And we can be very proud of our heritage in terms of culture. And everyone of the islands can be proud of all the cultural mixes there, without requiring a certain geneaology.

But racial pride, the automatic assumption that becuase people share the same ancestors they share some inherent qualities or defects, is poisonous.


Oh now I see. You have that “western” thought. The “1 drop” rule. Just to let you know, na kanaka ‘oiwi never had the concept of 1 drop. In fact, koko was defiling. They once had a special hale dedicated for na wahine that had their ma’i. Na kanaka ‘oiwi always kept their ku’auhau (genealogy) via their iwi (bones). OH wait, look at that word…’oIWI, which has its roots in IWI!

This 1 drop rule is exactly what you preach -> you go and chastise others for their self-identification as hawaiian, as if you have the right to determine someone else’s identity.

If you want to make the argument that anyone with a kanaka maoli relative can be counted as kanaka maoli as according to the hanai tradition, fine -> now you’ve got a majority of people in the State of Hawai’i who are kanaka maoli. But your terribly racist condemnations of people’s self-identity without the proper blood is hypocritical at best.


So are you saying that “Tahitians” were known as “Tahitians” a thousand of years ago? IF so, why do genealogies not mention that particular term? They never called themselves as such. And if you are saying that we are Tahitians, why do we have a distinct language and culture from the Tahitians?

Well, you also have a distinct language and culture from the ancient hawaiians -> you’re American, aren’t you? If you can go back to an arbitrary point in time (1778), and claim that these people represent an inviolate group that will forever be identified as such, why not take a point further back in time? How about 500AD? 1000AD? The harsh reality, haolegirl, is that your ancestors were immigrants to the islands too. You may have beat up the guys who first came there (the marquesans), and you may have lived there for 700 years before anyone else showed up, but you’re visitors too. The “I got there first” argument is specious because of the evidence of extinguished cultures, and the “I was here longer” argument is juvenile.


John Young did not co-found the kingdom at all. I know that you want to elevate these foreigners in order to discredit Hawaiians but fact is, people like John Young were instrumental, but we don’t owe everything to these people. What about people like Kalaimoku, Ulumaheihei, Ke’eaumoku, Kame’eiamoku, Kamanawa, Keawepoepoe, Keali’imaika’i, Kalaimamahu, and so many more. All of these people had a hand in shaping the Hawaiian Kingdom pre-Kauikeaouli.

John Young was as instrumental to the formation of the kingdom as any other individual. You want to ignore the fact that regardless of Kamehameha the Great’s bloody conquest, he was not a racist, and welcomed haoles into his family, his government, and treated them as equals. Throughout the history of the Kingdom, haoles were strong participants, and your diminishing of their contributions is a sign of true ignorance.


You also need to know that the term KANAKA MAOLI came up in the 1890 census referring to a pure blooded aboriginal Hawaiian.

Well, since apparently “Tahitians” didn’t call themselves “Tahitians”, and the pre-1778 people in Hawai’i didn’t call themselves “Hawaiians” or “kanaka maoli”, why not just get angry at oiwi wannabes?

Tell you what, you can have the word oiwi…I promise you nobody is going to claim that without the geneaology and bones you so desperately revere. Leave the word “Hawaiian” for all Hawaiians, not just the oiwi.

8 Thoughts on “Haolegirl the wannabe

  1. Lana aka Ululani aka Lana Ululani on 11/9/2005 at 4:54 am said:

    You still have not responded to this part:

    “JERE KRICHELL IS A HAWAIIAN NATIVE BROUGHT UP AS A CLASSICAL MUSICIAN. HIS NATURAL MUSICALITY AND VOCAL ABILITY EARNED HIM THE SPOT OF KEYBOARDIST AND BACKING VOCALIST. JERE ADDS COLOR TO THE MUSIC WITH HIS HAMMOND ORGAN & RHODES.

    Seen at http://www.tobysemainband.com/band.html#jere

    He implies that this society should be race-blind…. then why does he describe himself as a HAWAIIAN NATIVE on his band’s website? His bandmates Richard Guttenberg, Mario Santillan, Scott Pitts, and Toby Semain do NOT mention their ethnicity. However he does. Hmmmm.

    Also for the record… I am Hawaiian and American by nationality. My ethnicity is English, Hawaiian, Portuguese, and Chinese. All of which I explicitly state… repeatedly. Seems as though you either have a reading comprehension problem OR you see only what you want to see like how you thought I was in the upper class while attending Kamehameha Schools. Just so you know since you did ASSume… I was on full financial aid while at Kamehameha Schools.

    Also I suggest that you read more and practice your reading comprehension skills since you obviously missed that key point on my website that explicitly states various points. It makes me wonder what other points you have missed and/or twist to see what you want to see :)

    – Lana aka Ululani aka Lana Ululani

  2. Lana aka Ululani aka Lana Ululani on 11/9/2005 at 5:15 am said:

    Also I was not the person who responded to you with those words that you copied and pasted here. That person is Mamoahina aka Kalani Mondoy… not me.

  3. “More from the webmaster of http://www.HawaiianWannaBes.com
    Blogged under Local by Ululani on Wednesday 9 November 2005 at 5:42 am ”

    Hrm…looks like someone is impersonating you then…

    Justice for Hawaiians » More from the webmaster of http://www.HawaiianWannaBes.com

    And actually, I did respond to that part…I didn’t write it, the guy whose band it is (Toby Semain) did. Dude, he even mispelled my name!

    I think it’s not so much my reading comprehension skills that need honing, but your logic skills -> so much of what you say rings true, then something comes up and gets my BS detector ringing…what I meant to say, if you didn’t quite understand, is that for all your protests of a poor upbringing, your inheritance of any property, esepcially in Hawaii where so few people can actually afford land, belies poverty…but you’re right, with enough details it becomes clear…and thank you for providing those details.

  4. Lana aka Ululani aka Lana Ululani on 11/9/2005 at 10:23 am said:

    “Hrm…looks like someone is impersonating you then…

    Justice for Hawaiians » More from the webmaster of http://www.HawaiianWannaBes.com

    Jere,

    That was not me. What I posted was from the webmaster of http://www.HawaiianWannaBes.com. I explicitly stated in the subject line, “More from the webmaster of http://www.HawaiianWannaBes.com.” The post was the webmasters’ words… not mine. I just posted it on http://www.JusticeForHawaiians.com/org for others to read.

    “And actually, I did respond to that part…I didn’t write it, the guy whose band it is (Toby Semain) did. Dude, he even mispelled my name!”

    Well then since you seem to have an issue with race and/or ethnicity perhaps you should tell him to remove it. That way people will know you as Jere or as Jere Krischel versus “a Hawaiian native.”

    ” think it’s not so much my reading comprehension skills that need honing, but your logic skills -> so much of what you say rings true, then something comes up and gets my BS detector ringing…”

    Hey I don’t blame you for making assumptions about me but surprise surprise… human beings are different. Hawaiians are different too but I expect assumptions to be made. It’s part of human nature. For example notice that I did not assume that you were a Haole dude just because you have a Haole name. Instead I did a little bit of research and even then I did not refer to you as a Haole dude. Instead I referred to you as Jere Krischel. As a person. You should do that more too. You know… treat people as individuals with individual and unique experiences instead of grouping all Hawaiians as money grubbers which you seem to try to imply but surprise surprise… I have earned everything that I have. Do I expect others to do the same? Of course I do but thankfully I was raised among other Hawaiians in Keaukaha and they taught me that not all Hawaiians are alike. You may want to get out ot suburbia and get too know more people. Not just those in surburbia.

    “what I meant to say, if you didn’t quite understand, is that for all your protests of a poor upbringing, your inheritance of any property, esepcially in Hawaii where so few people can actually afford land, belies poverty…but you’re right, with enough details it becomes clear…and thank you for providing those details.”

    Actually I purposefully leave/left alot of details out because I expect that people like you will assume many things about me just as they assume many things about Hawaiians. So I must thank YOU for proving my point once again.

  5. That was not me. What I posted was from the webmaster of http://www.HawaiianWannaBes.com. I explicitly stated in the subject line, “More from the webmaster of http://www.HawaiianWannaBes.com.” The post was the webmasters’ words… not mine. I just posted it on http://www.JusticeForHawaiians.com/org for others to read.

    Ah, my apologies then, I thought you were the webmaster there…it wasn’t clear from your post that you were not in charge of that website.

    And the issue I have with race/ethnicity is not self-identification, but the enshrining of those identifications into law. I don’t care what people call me, or call themselves, but as soon as the government starts getting into that business, I bristle. I feel the same way about church and state separation.

  6. Lana aka Ululani aka Lana Ululani on 11/10/2005 at 10:01 am said:

    “Ah, my apologies then, I thought you were the webmaster there…it wasn’t clear from your post that you were not in charge of that website.”

    Yeah… it’s his website.

    “And the issue I have with race/ethnicity is not self-identification, but the enshrining of those identifications into law. I don’t care what people call me, or call themselves, but as soon as the government starts getting into that business, I bristle. I feel the same way about church and state separation.”

    I feel the same way but the only problem is that the U.S. invaded Hawaii and they targeted Hawaiians. That is why race cannot be separated. Also you have the Ku E Petition which clearly shows that some Hawaiians did not want statehood then on top of that a condition of statehood was that Hawaiians would be assisted so while I am a Republican in every sense of the word… some people created this problem that involves race. Therefore the solution involves race. Of course if they had only done it the “right” way then all of this would be mute points but they did not and is unique so will be treated as such.

  7. Aloha e Bro,

    1. I encourage you to please learn our TRUE history here:
    http://kaiwakiloumoku.ksbe.edu/hawaiiankingdom.php

    2. Then, begin the process of “de-colonizing your mind” here:
    http://kaiwakiloumoku.ksbe.edu/decolonizingthemind.php

    The author of the “Wannabees” site could certainly learn something from suggestion #2 as well (have you seen his blog-site?!)

    Let me know what you think about the content of the above two sites. I mua!

    MK

    ——-

    P.S. The web pages with October’s edition of “First Friday: Unauthorized News” regarding the Akaka Bill have finally been posted. If you have not already watched the show on ‘Olelo (Honolulu’s public-access TV station), please click on the links below to view this very important show and please feel free to pass the links along to ‘ohana, friends and all others who support our endeavor. There are a total of seven (7) parts of the one-hour show to view. The links are as follows:

    Part 1: http://homepage.mac.com/ke_kuokoa_ff1/iMovieTheater1.html
    Part 2: http://homepage.mac.com/ke_kuokoa_ff2/iMovieTheater1.html
    Part 3: http://homepage.mac.com/ke_kuokoa_ff3/iMovieTheater1.html
    Part 4: http://homepage.mac.com/ke_kuokoa_ff4/iMovieTheater1.html
    Part 5: http://homepage.mac.com/ke_kuokoa_ff5/iMovieTheater1.html
    Part 6: http://homepage.mac.com/ke_kuokoa_ff6/iMovieTheater1.html
    Part 7: http://homepage.mac.com/ke_kuokoa_ff7/iMovieTheater1.html

  8. Aloha Malcom K,

    I’ll be sure to check out those audio presentations when I have the time…do you know of any transcripts available?

    In general, my opinions of Sai and Trask are pretty low – although I would be impressed if either of them were to respond to Twigg-Smith’s book point by point with footnotes and references: http://www.hawaiimatters.com/book/HawnSov.pdf

    I always get the feeling that Sai and Trask only want to share part of the truth, and refuse to acknowledge critical factors, like the responsibility of the kanaka maoli monarchy in the destruction of the culture, as well as it’s great progressive work by Kamehameha III (the first constitution, great mahele, etc).

    Have you read Conklin’s critiques of their positions? Especially his critique of Sai’s actions?

    http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiiansovereignty/fraudperfecttitle.html

    http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaiiansovereignty/fraudhague.html

    I just think it’s so sad that people want to turn back the clock. Our answers for our children lie in the future of the State of Hawai’i, not in a dead monarchy of over a hundred years ago. And I desperately hope in their future they are never judged by what race their ancestors might have been.

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